Why Gifted Students Hate School
The ever-thoughtful and provocative Shaun over at Red Sea School, whose blogs about homeschooling her gifted daughter Violet are always entertaining to read, posted a compelling entry the other day about scary teacher stories .
If you have a gifted child, especially if you have a way gifted child, you probably have one of those scary teacher stories. Shaun related several of hers and others’, so I’ll relate one of mine, or rather one of someone I know rather well. This person — let’s call her Ginnie — was in the school system way back in the days when Jim Morrison was still alive, microwaves were just a form of interstellar radiation, and “personal stereos” meant those refrigerator-size behemoths in your living room that looked pretty much like this:

That said, though, I don’t think much has changed since then.
Ginnie came to school already knowing how to read — not just Dolch sight words, but fluently, probably on a third- or fourth-grade level, maybe more. The teacher, which was the practice at the time, put her in a reading group, but Ginnie noticed that there was a somewhat unusual characteristic about the reading group: they were all doing it funny. Like robots.
“Dick. And. Janee…. Wennnt. to. the. p–…to the p–… to the park. Wit…h Sp…sp..ot.”
Perplexed, Ginnie couldn’t really figure out what the joke was supposed to be — was it Robot Day or something? Whatever it was, it was stupid, and she would have no part in it. “Dick threw the ball to Spot. ‘Run, Spot, Run,’ said Dick,” she read, flipping to the next page, totally flummoxed when the other first graders at her table turned to her and angrily hissed at her to slow DOWN.
“What’s going on over here?” the teacher demanded. Her name was not Mrs. Hack, and she was the kind of person whose legs bulged out puffily over the tops of her black knee-high stockings. When the kids filled her in, Mrs. Hack looked at Ginnie. “Read it slower,” she said tersely.
Ginnie tried. “Dick and Jane went to the park today…”
“Mrs. HAAAACK!” one kid called. “She’s READING too FAST.”
For disobeying the teacher and causing a classroom disturbance, Ginnie was promptly paddled. Back in the day, this happened a lot, and every teacher had a wooden paddle in her room that looked more or less like this:

The conversation that ensued between Ginnie’s mom and the principal resulted in Ginnie’s being taken out of Mrs. Hack’s class and put into the library for “independent study.” All day. Every day.
Ginnie didn’t mind — didn’t even know that this measure was probably intended as some kind of punishment, or at the very least, a Pontius Pilate way of dealing with a classroom disturbance. Ginnie wrote book reports that she now realizes were really never read, only checked off as evidence that she’d done something more worthwhile than nothing. She read through most of what the library had during that year and learned virtually no math. By second grade, Ginnie had become somewhat feral as far as classroom management was concerned, and the teacher learned, as had Mrs. Hack before her, that really the best thing to do with Ginnie was leave her on her own to read in a corner, puzzling out the mysterious French and Greek phrases in Madeleine L’Engle’s A Wrinkle in Time and memorizing them, even though she knew no French (and Greek was beyond her).
Scary teacher stories abound — it’s one of the main currencies of gifted parent get-togethers. Like WWII vets, parents bond over war stories that sound as if they came straight out of one of the best pages on Hoagies Gifted, “Ridiculous Things I Heard Today.” You’ll hear how one mother’s kid who was doing precalculus was told that he’d have to do the fourth-grade math anyway “because I can’t teach him high school math — what would the high school math teacher teach him if I did?”
Initially, I was puzzled by these stories, particularly when one element kept emerging time and again: the motif of teacher anger, of offense, as if the teachers in these parents’ stories had been personally offended by the fact of their student’s giftedness.
We can all understand being pissed at a student who deliberately seeks to be rude or to blow off the work or to disrespect a teacher’s earned and deserved authority, sure. What puzzled me — at least at first — was how disproportionate was the anger of some teachers to the actions of these kids, though. Children who pointed out that yes, you can indeed subtract seven from five seemed to spark an unreasoning dislike in some teachers, a dislike for what they viewed as a disregard for authority – and, in the case of someone like Mrs. Hack, a dislike manifesting itself in immediate punishment far out of proportion to the cause.
I have some theories as to why, but I’ll save them for next week.

I really worry about this. LW is smart; I don’t know if gifted is the right word, but he surprises us regularly, and I worry he’ll be bored in school.
I really don’t understand teachers that dislike the smart kids. One of my brightest and most interesting, although proportionately lazy, students from last year has an English teacher this year who can’t stand him, has declared him arrogant, and doesn’t think he should be in an honors class. The kid was challenged in English last year, and this year he’s disrespectful because he’s bored. I’m sad for him.
Mr. W.
BTDT- My mom taught my brother to read, and I learned by watching them, so I went to K4 able to read “Flat Stanley” and “Harry the Dirty Dog”. I spent alot of time in the ‘Reading Corner’ as well, but much was made of the fact that I could not conquer shoe tying. By 4th grade they were requesting curriculum from the local jr. high, and I was doing much of my schooling in the library, alone. Except when my ‘boyfriend’ would ask to go to the bathroom and come visit me for a few minutes.
I viewed school as a dog & pony show at which I was on display and expected to perform for every fair and bee and academic field day. By the time I got to Jr. High, I was seriously burnt out, and got through high school on autopilot.
School is so much about classroom management and squeezing kids through the system like toothpaste through a tube, there is no room for gifted kids or challenged kids or just plain curiosity. I am >this close to calling public school child abuse, and get that particular shoe on the other foot.;)
Yeah, we have the war stories. And the post-traumatic stress …and I mean that in all seriousness. I haven’t gotten to the worst of it yet in my blog.
Back when DD was entering a newly created highly gifted center program I was told that it was hard to find teachers to teach there, which rather surprised me. I would have thought teachers would love to teach this population. But evidently it’s seen as “hard” and “too much work” for most. The kids ask too many questions.
I’ll be interested to hear your theories…and see if they match mine.
Mr. W., you said, “I really don’t understand teachers that dislike the smart kids. One of my brightest and most interesting, although proportionately lazy, students from last year has an English teacher this year who can’t stand him, has declared him arrogant, and doesn’t think he should be in an honors class.” SwitchedOnMom said something rather similar: “I would have thought teachers would love to teach this population.” It seems like you’re very much on the same wavelength.
I think I *do* understand the teachers who dislike the smart kids — it doesn’t mean I respect them or see things as they see them, but I do think I understand them. I have more to say than this, so I’ll leave it at that.
Ever thought of homeschooling Little W?
Sunnie, you said, “I spent alot of time in the ‘Reading Corner’ as well, but much was made of the fact that I could not conquer shoe tying.” Have you checked out that Hoagies page? One of my personal favorite reasons why they couldn’t accelerate one woman’s daughter? “The other kids will get their periods before she does.” It’s like the most irrelevant, trivial, ridiculous reasons are seized on as the faintest thread of an excuse.
Thanks for a provocative comment!
I hear these stories and realize I was very, very lucky to have the teachers I did all through school. I wonder whether it is possible for my son to be so lucky. That is one reason I am considering homeschool. But sometimes I wonder whether I should try public school first to see if he likes it, and just yank him if there ever are problems.
“Ever thought of homeschooling Little W?”
I think about homeschooling LW pretty much every day. For several reasons, however, I don’t think it’s going to be possible right now.
Hey, Mr. W., if you ever change your mind, look here ——-> Lots of resources, and I can hook you up with even more if you want.
Thanks for the nice plug! The comment about shoe typing made me laugh — what is it with this stuff? Is that not obviously illogical?
I don’t know!! I think it’s that they seize on ANY factor, any irrelevancy, in order to prevent the child from accelerating. If it’s not shoe-tying, it’s skipping; if it’s not skipping, it’s driving; if it’s not driving, it’s athletic participation; if not athletics, than one’s period. The irrelevancy of the reasons becomes the best explanation FOR the reasons: the reasons themselves are irrelevant because the goal is to prevent acceleration. Just my opinion…
Organizing by size of package or age of product works great in places like the grocery store. Unfortunately, schools warehouse children based on the same factors, and kids are more complex than mere cans of Spaghetti-Os. Efficiency and consistency of product demands an assembly line, so you just can’t have kids jumping off the conveyor belt.
“Dog and Pony show”
I’ll bite. I was always a poster child at my elementary school, and I decided my final year to NOT do the gifted program, because the subject matter was the same as the previous year, durng which we had learne dthe process of writing aresearch paper and carried our own through to completon. When pressed as to why I wasn’t participating the next year, I told the director this. I had never seen a teacher’s face turn purple before that talk.
I won a competition when I was in Fourth Grade for writing a story about teh lack of understandting between parents, children and educators. I was told that my writing was equivalent to that of a senior in High School. When I entered Middle School, I was placed into teh “regular” LA track because I had dared to drop the Gifted program the previous year. My action swere interpreted as my not being able to “handle” the material. That placement lasted all of about one week, when I was promptly placed into the advanced LA group.
The system can be so catty at times, and I am exceedingly glad that Grace is not taking part.
Forte
Sunniemom, I think you’re right — and the problem with school, other than the fact that it’s based on factory models at all (which is sort of like trying to fit a knee into a shoe) is that kids don’t tend to be of uniform sizes…despite the Procrustean-bed system.
Forte, my jaw just dropped at your post. Holy Pete.
OMG. Mine did to. Did you see all of the bad typing I did? What a complete dork I am!
Forte
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Maybe I’m just lucky, but I never experienced any bias on behalf of being gifted. Except once, my favorite elementary school teacher pulled me aside and seemed disapointed that I couldn’t subtract two digit numbers. In Kindergarten. She didn’t chastize me, just seemed as if her hopes were dashed, is all.
I now teach several students who were identified early and accelerated. They are in Physics, having taken Chemistry from me the previous semester. Bright little butterflies. I expect that they have a great love of learning, too.
However, one thing that concerns me about US (all gifted learners) is that the success stories seem to match up with parental advocacy. My parents knew who to go to and what to say to advocate for my program. My physics-tackling students have wonderfully involved parents who are amazing advocates. In all cases, these are parents who know the school system, know who to talk to, and know what to ask.
I’d like it if the advantages given to us were given to those whose advocates were a little less omnicient.
I would agree that parent advocacy is crucial, but (of course), it’s a double-edged sword: you risk being seen as One Of THOSE Parents. I also live in a lower-SES school district where most of the parents of my child’s zoned school are second-language speakers. I was told that “we’ve never had [a gifted chid]” by one of the administrators or Special Ed. people we spoke to when we were making our decision to homeschool.
I cry bull**** on that one. I think it’s just that the parents in that school don’t advocate because of a number of reasons, whether cultural, educational, or linguistic. What a terrible waste.
i just turned 16 2 days ago, i live in the great state of NC (note the sarcasm) and i am seriusly thinking about dropping out of school that’s how bad this shit is, i have come to hate and despise school, because if i try to actually learn anything i get shot down for it, so i am just incredibly bored in all of my classes not being challenged at all. i usually just sit in the back and day dream all week then whenever we have a test i borrow and memorize someone elses notes in five minutes and ace the tests. i am still failing 3 out of 4 of my classes though because i don’t do homework, it is just too borring.
this is a serius problem, and the no child left behind program has made it a much, much worse problem, because it is not only the teachers choosing to act this way, but they are now being forced to act this way.
There are a lot of “gifted horror stories” out here. My child is lucky enough to have an incredible teacher at the middle school he attends. This guy “gets it.” The kids call hime Mr. Y. He’s a social studies teacher at the arts magnet in West Palm Beach. Why don’t we parents compile a list of positive stories? This might be more helpful than just griping. Though griping is important, too